Gas water heater electron vpg 23. Gas flowing water heaters

21 Feb 2013, 09:36

For some reason, the DGU 23 column began to ignite poorly. The problem did not indicate itself before. In short, you bring a match - the gas is ignited, you remove your hand from the button - the gas goes out. Repeat the procedure several times - the gas burns normally. Then about 10 minutes pass - again the same story, the gas goes out.

I don’t know what is the reason, can anyone advise something?

21 Feb 2013, 09:39

This is most likely a deterioration in thermocouple contact. There is a thermocouple that controls the flame extinguishing system. So it works, most likely, you need to try to disassemble and establish contact, if it's about him.

If after this procedure the device did not work properly, then the matter is something else.

The gas column electron vpg 23 ignites poorly.

21 Feb 2013, 09:42

Not a fact, it may be a matter of weakening the water pressure. This happens all the time. If it's all about water, you need to put a 230V pump at the inlet of the column. But before you take any action, you need to establish exactly what the reason is. It is better to invite a professional gas worker from service 04 or another similar one.

The gas column electron vpg 23 ignites poorly.

21 Feb 2013, 09:43

And what kind of column is HSV 23, I have never met. Is it a hand fired apparatus? I think the point is in the gas opening valve, it happens that it does not work and hence the whole problem, it often breaks. It is necessary to invite a specialist, he will find out exactly what the reason is in 5 minutes, maybe he will eliminate it in the next 15 minutes.

On the phone, explain to them in words that it does not work. Let the spare parts bring with you.

The gas column electron vpg 23 ignites poorly.

06 March 2013, 11:45

Believe it or not, I also have the same column, but the problem is different. Very weak head hot water, a geyser is straight from the cold tap, but the hot one barely flows. The pipes are not Soviet, but as if they were made of plastic (I have been renting this apartment for only 2 years and I don't really understand plumbing and so on.
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The gas column electron vpg 23 ignites poorly.

07 Mar 2013, 07:33

The point is most likely a clogged heat exchanger - it needs to be cleaned. The hydrostatic resistance is too high, and therefore the water flows poorly. Further, this will lead to emergency operation of protection and shutdown of the gas column. cleaning the body exchanger from scale is not expensive, but replacing it entirely costs a pretty penny.

The gas column electron vpg 23 ignites poorly.

07 Mar 2013, 10:10

How to clean it? or at least what it looks like

The gas column electron vpg 23 ignites poorly.

08 Mar 2013, 08:30

dimikosha wrote: but how to clean it? or at least what it looks like

If by ourselves, then who does how. First you need to remove it, open the cover, unscrew the couplings. Remove the heat exchanger and fill it with acid. Someone uses lemon, someone special. the composition of their households. magician., and someone even Coca-Cola. Then everything is washed with a soda solution and mounted back. Should help.

The gas column electron vpg 23 ignites poorly.

09 Mar 2013, 19:21

Better service Call me, he will have everything with him.
If by ourselves, then who does how. First you need to remove it, open the cover, unscrew the couplings. Remove the heat exchanger and fill it with acid. Someone uses lemon, someone special. the composition of their households. magician., and someone even Coca-Cola. Then everything is washed with a soda solution and mounted back. Should help.

Thank you, it's better of course a serviceman))

The gas column electron vpg 23 ignites poorly.

In accordance with the requirements of the regulatory and technical documents in force in the territory of the Russian Federation, maintenance and repair of gas-consuming equipment must be carried out by a specialized organization that has a certificate of admission to this type of work, as well as duly certified personnel.
Independent manipulation of this type of equipment is also contrary to common sense!

Conclusion: invite specialists from the service organization.

Geysers Neva 3208 (and similar models without automatic water temperature control L-3, VPG-18 \ 20, VPG-23, Neva 3210, Neva 3212, Neva 3216, Darina 3010) are often found in houses without centralized hot water supply. This column has simple design and therefore very reliable. But she sometimes surprises. Today we will tell you what to do if the pressure of hot water suddenly becomes too weak.

Gas water heater Neva 3208, or more precisely - flowing gas water heater wall-mounted type is a device for obtaining hot water using the energy of combustion of natural gas. The gas water heater is an unpretentious and easy-to-use thing. Of course, according to the idea of communal services, centralized hot water supply is more convenient, but in practice it is still unknown which is better. Hot water from the pipe goes rusty, then barely warm, and the payment bites. And about the notorious summer blackouts, during which the owners gas water heaters with a smile, they listen to stories about heating water in a basin on the stove, and it's not worth mentioning.

Fault diagnosis

So, one morning the column turned on properly, but the pressure of water from the hot water tap in the bath appeared too weak... And when the shower was turned on, the column went out completely. Meanwhile, the cold water continued to flow in a brisk stream. Suspicion first fell on the mixer, but the same situation was found in the kitchen. There was no doubt that it was the gas water heater. Old lady Neva 3208 presented a surprise.

Attempts to call a foreman for repair ended, in fact, in failure. All the masters directly by telephone "diagnosed" in absentia that heat exchanger clogged with scale and offered to either replace it (2500-3000 rubles for a new one, 1500 rubles for a repaired one, not counting the cost of work), or wash it on the spot (700-1000 rubles). And only on such conditions did they agree to the visit. But it didn't look like a clogged heat exchanger at all. The previous evening, the pressure was normal and during the night, scale could not build up. Therefore, it was decided to carry out the repairs on their own. By the way, you can also carry out repairs if the column does not turn on at normal pressure - most likely, it has broken membrane in the water unit and needs to be replaced.

Gas water heater repair

The gas water heater Neva 3208 is installed on the wall of the kitchen or, less often, the bathroom.

Before starting the repair, you must turn off the column, shut off the gas and cold water supply.

To remove the shroud, you must first remove the flame control knob. It is fixed on the rod with a spring and removed by simple pulling on itself, there are no fasteners. The gas safety valve button and the plastic cover remain in place without getting in the way. Removing the handle gives access to the two mounting screws.

In addition to the screws, the casing is held in place by four pins located at the top and bottom at the rear. After loosening the screws Bottom part the casing is pulled forward by 4-5 cm (the lower pins are released) and whole casing goes down (the upper pins are released). Before us internal organization gas water heater.

Our problem is at the bottom, the so-called "water" part of the column. This part is sometimes referred to as the "frog". In function water unit includes turning on and off the column depending on the presence or absence of water flow. The principle of operation is based on the properties of the Venturi nozzle.

The water unit is fastened with two union nuts to the water supply pipes and three screws to the gas part.

But before removing the water unit, you need to take care of the water in the column. In extreme cases, a wide basin can be substituted under the column during disassembly. But you can drain the water more carefully through plug located at the bottom of the water unit.

To do this, unscrew the plug and open any hot water tap after the column for air access. About half a liter of water is poured out.

By the way, through this plug you can try to flush the blockage without removing the water unit. This is done reverse current water. With the plug removed (do not forget to substitute a bucket or basin) in the mixer in the kitchen or bathroom, open both taps and clamp the spout. Cold water will reverse flow through the hot water pipes and maybe push the blockage out.

After draining the water, the water unit can be removed without fear. We unscrew the union nuts, move the tubes to the sides a little, loosen the three screws on the gas part and take the assembly down.

By the way, under the left nut in the recess of the water unit there is filter in the form of a piece of brass mesh. It needs to be pulled out with a needle and cleaned well. When removed, this filter crumbled to pieces from old age. Considering that in the apartment after the riser there is already a pre-cleaning mesh filter, and the pipes are made of metal-plastic, it was decided not to bother with the new one. If the pipes are steel or there is no filter on the riser, then the filter at the inlet to the water unit must be left behind, otherwise the column will have to be cleaned almost monthly. A new filter can be made from a piece copper or brass mesh.

The water unit cover is held in place by eight screws. In the old designs, the case was silumin, and the screws were steel, and it was often very difficult to unscrew them. In the Neva 3208 the body and screws are brass. After removing the cover, you can see membrane.

In older models, the membrane was flat rubber, so it worked in tension and broke rather quickly. Replacing the membrane every one to two years was a routine operation. In Neva 3208, the membrane is silicone and profiled. It almost does not stretch during work and lasts much longer. But in case of problems, replacing the membrane is quite simple, the main thing is to find a high-quality silicone one. And, finally, under the membrane is the cavity of the water unit.

Several small specks were found in it. But the main problem was right outlet channel... There is a narrow nozzle (about 3 mm), which creates a pressure drop for the operation of the water unit. It was it that was almost completely covered by a very firmly stuck rust flake. It is better to clean the nozzle with a wooden stick or a piece of copper wire so as not to spoil the diameter.

Now it remains to collect everything back. It also has its own subtleties... The membrane is first installed in the cover of the water unit. In this case, it is important not to put it upside down and not to block the fitting connecting the halves of the water unit (arrow in the photo)

Now all eight screws are in place, held in place by the elasticity of the edges of the holes in the membrane.

The cover is installed on the body (do not confuse - which side, look at the correct position in the photo) and the screws carefully, 1-2 turns alternately are folded crosswise, preventing the cover from skewing. This assembly avoids deforming or tearing the membrane.

After that, the water unit is installed in the gas section and slightly fixed with screws. The screws are finally tightened after connecting the water pipes. Then water is supplied and the connections are checked for leaks. It is not necessary to be zealous with tightening the nuts, if a slight tightening does not help, then it is required replacement gaskets. You can buy them or make them yourself from sheet rubber with a thickness of 2-3 mm.

It remains to put the casing in place. It is better to do this together, because it is very difficult to get on the pins almost blindly.

That's all! The repair took 15 minutes and was completely free. The video shows the same thing more clearly.

Comments (1)

# 63 Yuri Makarov 09/22/2017 11:43

I quote Dmitry:

The names of the columns produced in Russia often contain the letters VPG: this is a water-heating device (V) flow-through (P) gas (G). The number after the letters HSG indicates the heat output of the apparatus in kilowatts (kW). For example, VPG-23 is a flow-through gas water-heating apparatus with a thermal power of 23 kW. Thus, the name of modern speakers does not define their design.

The VPG-23 water heater was created on the basis of the VPG-18 water heater manufactured in Leningrad. Later, VPG-23 was produced in the 90s at a number of enterprises in the USSR, and then - SIG. A number of such devices are in operation. Individual units, for example, the water part, are used in some models of modern Neva columns.

The main specifications VPG-23:

thermal power- 23 kW;
productivity when heated to 45 ° С - 6 l / min;
minimum pressure water - 0.5 bar:
maximum water pressure - 6 bar.

VPG-23 consists of a gas outlet, a heat exchanger, a main burner, a valve block and an electromagnetic valve (Fig. 74).

The gas outlet serves to supply combustion products to the flue gas outlet of the column. The heat exchanger consists of an air heater and a fire chamber, surrounded by a cold water coil. The height of the VPG-23 fire chamber is less than that of the KGI-56, because the VPG burner provides better mixing of gas with air, and the gas burns with a shorter flame. A significant number of HPG columns have a heat exchanger consisting of one air heater. In this case, the walls of the fire chamber were made of steel sheet, the coil was absent, which made it possible to save copper. The main burner is multi-nozzle, it consists of 13 sections and a manifold, connected by two screws. The sections are assembled into a single whole with tie bolts. The manifold has 13 nozzles, each of which blows gas into its own section.

The block valve consists of a gas and water part, connected by three screws (Fig. 75). The gas part of the block valve consists of a body, a valve, a valve plug, a gas valve cover. A tapered liner for the gas valve plug is pressed into the body. The valve has a rubber seal on the outside diameter. A cone spring presses on it from above. The seat of the safety valve is made in the form of a brass insert pressed into the body of the gas part. The gas valve has a handle with a limiter that fixes the opening of the gas supply to the igniter. The valve plug is pressed against the tapered liner by a large spring.

There is a groove on the valve plug for gas supply to the igniter. When the valve is turned from the extreme left position by an angle of 40 °, the groove coincides with the gas supply hole, and gas begins to flow to the igniter. In order to supply gas to the main burner, the tap handle must be pressed and turned further.

The water part consists of the lower and upper covers, a Venturi nozzle, a diaphragm, a plate with a stem, an ignition retarder, a stem oil seal and a stem clamping sleeve. Water is supplied to the water part on the left, enters the under-membrane space, creating a pressure in it equal to the water pressure in the water supply system. After creating pressure under the membrane, the water flows through the venturi nozzle and rushes to the heat exchanger. The venturi nozzle is a brass tube, in the narrowest part of which there are four through holes that go into the outer circular groove. The recess is aligned with the through holes in both water end covers. Through these holes, the pressure from the narrowest part of the venturi nozzle will be transferred to the supra-membrane space. The poppet stem is sealed with a nut that compresses the PTFE packing.

Automation works on the water flow as follows. When water passes through the Venturi nozzle in the narrowest part, the highest speed of movement of water and, therefore, the lowest pressure. This pressure is transmitted through the through holes to the supra-membrane cavity of the water part. As a result, a differential pressure appears below and above the membrane, which bends upward and pushes the plate with the stem. The stem of the water part, abutting against the stem of the gas part, lifts the valve from the seat. This opens the gas passage to the main burner. When the water flow is stopped, the pressure under and above the membrane is equalized. The cone spring presses on the valve and presses it against the seat, the gas supply to the main burner is stopped.

The solenoid valve (Fig. 76) is used to shut off the gas supply when the igniter goes out.

When you press the solenoid valve button, its stem rests on the valve and moves it away from the seat, while compressing the spring. At the same time, the armature is pressed against the core of the electromagnet. In this case, gas begins to flow into the gas part of the block valve. After igniting the igniter, the flame begins to heat the thermocouple, the end of which is set in a strictly defined position in relation to the igniter (Fig. 77).

The voltage generated during the heating of the thermocouple is applied to the winding of the electromagnet core. In this case, the core holds the armature, and with it the valve, in the open position. The time during which the thermocouple generates the required thermo-EMF and the solenoid valve begins to hold the armature is about 60 seconds. When the igniter goes out, the thermocouple cools down and stops generating voltage. The core no longer holds the armature; the spring closes the valve. The gas supply to both the igniter and the main burner is cut off.

The draft automatics turns off the gas supply to the main burner and igniter in case of a draft in the chimney, it works according to the principle of "gas removal from the igniter". Traction automation consists of a tee that is attached to the gas part of the block valve, a tube to the traction sensor and the sensor itself.

Gas from the tee is supplied to both the igniter and the draft sensor installed under the gas outlet. The thrust sensor (Fig. 78) consists of a bimetallic plate and a union, secured with two nuts. The upper nut is at the same time a seat for the plug, which closes the gas outlet from the fitting. A pipe supplying gas from the tee is attached to the fitting with a union nut.

With normal draft, the combustion products go into the chimney without heating the bimetallic plate. The plug is tightly pressed against the seat, gas does not come out of the sensor. If the draft in the chimney is disturbed, the combustion products heat up the bimetallic plate. It bends upward and opens the gas outlet from the choke. The gas supply to the igniter decreases sharply, the flame stops heating the thermocouple normally. It cools down and stops generating tension. As a result, the solenoid valve closes.

Repair and service

The main malfunctions of the VPG-23 column include:

1. The main burner does not light up:

little water pressure;
deformation or rupture of the membrane - replace the membrane;
clogged venturi nozzle - clean nozzle;
the stock came off the plate - replace the stock with a plate;
misalignment of the gas part in relation to the water part - align with three screws;
the stem does not move well in the stuffing box - lubricate the stem and check the nut tightness. If the nut is loosened more than necessary, water may leak from under the stuffing box.

2. When the water intake is stopped, the main burner does not go out:

dirt has got under the safety valve - clean the seat and valve;
the cone spring is weakened - replace the spring;
the stem does not move well in the stuffing box - lubricate the stem and check the nut tightness. With pilot flame present, the solenoid valve is not held open:

3. Violation of the electrical circuit between the thermocouple and the electromagnet (open circuit or short circuit). Possible reasons are as follows:

lack of contact between the terminals of the thermocouple and the electromagnet - clean the terminals with sandpaper;
violation of the insulation of the copper wire of the thermocouple and its short circuit with the tube - in this case, the thermocouple is replaced;
violation of the insulation of the turns of the coil of the electromagnet, their closure to each other or to the core - in this case, the valve is replaced;
disruption of the magnetic circuit between the armature and the core of the electromagnet coil due to oxidation, dirt, grease, etc. It is necessary to sand the surfaces with a piece of coarse cloth. Cleaning of surfaces with files, sandpaper, etc. is not allowed.

4. Insufficient heating of the thermocouple:

the working end of the thermocouple is smoked - remove soot from the hot junction of the thermocouple;
the igniter nozzle is clogged - clean the nozzle;
the thermocouple is incorrectly positioned relative to the igniter - install the thermocouple relative to the igniter so as to ensure sufficient heating.

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These water heaters(Table 133) (GOST 19910-74) are installed mainly in gasified residential buildings equipped with a water supply system, but do not have a centralized hot water supply. They provide fast (within 2 minutes) heating of water (up to a temperature of 45 ° C), continuously supplied from the water supply.
In terms of equipment with automatic and regulating devices, the devices are divided into two classes.

Table 133. TECHNICAL DATA OF APPLIANCES OF WATER-HEATING FLOW HOUSEHOLD GAS

Note. Devices of type 1 - with the removal of combustion products into the chimney, type 2 - with the removal of combustion products into the room.

The devices of the highest class (B) have automatic safety and regulation devices that provide:

b) shutdown of the main burner in the absence of vacuum in
Chimney (type 1 apparatus);
c) regulation of water consumption;
d) regulation of gas flow or pressure (natural gas only).
All units are equipped with an externally controlled ignition device, and type 2 units are additionally equipped with a temperature selector.
Devices of the first class (P) are equipped with automatic ignition devices providing:
a) gas access to the main burner only in the presence of a pilot flame and a water flow;
b) shutdown of the main burner in the absence of vacuum in the Chimney (type 1 apparatus).
The pressure of the heated water at the inlet is 0.05-0.6 MPa (0.5-6 kgf / cm²).
The devices must have gas and water filters.
Apparatus are connected to water and gas pipelines using union nuts or couplings with locknuts.
Conventional designation of a water heater with a rated thermal load of 21 kW (18 thousand kcal / h) with combustion products discharge into a chimney, operating on gases of the 2nd category, the first class: VPG-18-1-2 (GOST 19910-74).
Flowing gas water heaters KGI, GVA and L-3 are unified and have three models: VPG-8 (flowing gas water heater); VPG-18 and VPG-25 (Table 134).

Rice. 128. Flowing gas water heater VPG-18
1 - cold water pipe; 2 - gas cock; 3 - pilot burner; 4-gas outlet device; 5 - thermocouple; 6 - electromagnetic valve; 7 - gas pipeline; 8 - hot water pipe; 9 - thrust sensor; 10 - heat exchanger; 11 - main burner; 12 - water-gas unit with a nozzle

Table 134. TECHNICAL DATA OF FLOW-FLOW UNIFIED WATER HEATERS VPG

Indicators	Water heater model
Indicators	VPG-8	VPG-18	VPG-25
Heat load, kW (kcal / h) Heating capacity, kW (kcal / h) Allowable water pressure, MPa (kgf / cm²)	9,3 (8000) 85	2,1 (18000) 18 (15 300) 0,6 (6)	2,9 (25 000) 85 25 (21 700) 0,6 (6)
Gas pressure, kPa (kgf / m 2): natural liquefied The volume of heated water for 1 min at 50 e С, l Diameter of fittings for water and gas, mm Diameter of the branch pipe for the removal of combustion products, mm
Overall dimensions, mm;

Table 135. TECHNICAL DATA OF GAS WATER HEATERS

Indicators	Water heater model
Indicators	KGI-56	GVA-1	GVA-3	L-3
29 (25 000)	26 (22 500)	25 (21 200)	21 (18 000)
Gas consumption, m 3 / h;
natural	2.94	2,65	2,5	2,12
liquefied	-		-	0,783
Water consumption, l / mn, temperature 60 ° С	7,5	6	6	4,8
Diameter of the branch pipe for the removal of combustion products, mm	130	125	125	128
Diameter of connecting nipples D mm:
cold water	15	20	20	15
hot water	15	15	15	15
gas Dimensions, mm: height	15 950	15 885	15	15
width	425	365	345	430
depth	255	230	256	257
Weight, kg	23	14	19,5	17,6

Main technical characteristics of VPG-23:

thermal power - 23 kW;
productivity when heated to 45 ° С - 6 l / min;
minimum water pressure - 0.5 bar:
maximum water pressure - 6 bar.

VPG-23 consists of a gas outlet, a heat exchanger, a main burner, a valve block and an electromagnetic valve (Fig. 74).

The solenoid valve (Fig. 76) is used to shut off the gas supply when the igniter goes out.

Repair and service

The main malfunctions of the VPG-23 column include:

1. The main burner does not light up:

little water pressure;
deformation or rupture of the membrane - replace the membrane;
clogged venturi nozzle - clean nozzle;
the stock came off the plate - replace the stock with a plate;
misalignment of the gas part in relation to the water part - align with three screws;
the stem does not move well in the stuffing box - lubricate the stem and check the nut tightness. If the nut is loosened more than necessary, water may leak from under the stuffing box.

2. When the water intake is stopped, the main burner does not go out:

dirt has got under the safety valve - clean the seat and valve;
the cone spring is weakened - replace the spring;
the stem does not move well in the stuffing box - lubricate the stem and check the nut tightness. With pilot flame present, the solenoid valve is not held open:

3. Violation of the electrical circuit between the thermocouple and the electromagnet (open circuit or short circuit). Possible reasons are as follows:

lack of contact between the terminals of the thermocouple and the electromagnet - clean the terminals with sandpaper;
violation of the insulation of the copper wire of the thermocouple and its short circuit with the tube - in this case, the thermocouple is replaced;
violation of the insulation of the turns of the coil of the electromagnet, their closure to each other or to the core - in this case, the valve is replaced;
disruption of the magnetic circuit between the armature and the core of the electromagnet coil due to oxidation, dirt, grease, etc. It is necessary to sand the surfaces with a piece of coarse cloth. Cleaning of surfaces with files, sandpaper, etc. is not allowed.

4. Insufficient heating of the thermocouple:

the working end of the thermocouple is smoked - remove soot from the hot junction of the thermocouple;
the igniter nozzle is clogged - clean the nozzle;
the thermocouple is incorrectly positioned relative to the igniter - install the thermocouple relative to the igniter so as to ensure sufficient heating.

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